News Flash: Explosion in Makati

lei · Teddy's Chompy

News Flash: Explosion in Makati

sanggre_felicia · Chomplet-in-Training

my mom was there yesterday lang at the same hr. and dapat babalik siya today. thank God she didn't. or i would have lost one parent...

ShowStoppeR · 13th AngeL

grabe noh?my mom frequents the mall pa naman during lunch break...buti nalang she didn't go out of the office. then we (me, my mom, and my sister) were supposed to go there tomorrow, la lang shopping...eh, after what happened, malamang ndi muna...scary...

bowen · Beerkadet

It's not a bombing incident. Initial investigation would show that the explosion does not have the character of that with the use of explosive materials. Ang natatanging nagsasabi lang na me traces ng RDX (explosive ingredient) ay ang PNP SOCO lang at wala nang iba. As in sa lahat ng kumuha ng samples dun, sila lang ang nanakuha nun. All others, iisa lang ang nakitang theory sa pagsabog.....explosion caused by methane concentration from a leaking septic tank. In my research, there are several incidents on record worldwide. The latest I think happened in Ukraine where nine people also died. All other inicidents bear same semblance of the Glorietta explosion. In my opinion, it's an accident waiting to happen as the management of Glorietta was being to negligient of their duties to make sure there facilities are properly maintained

s2chard · KONOHA VILLAGE - Jounin

hmmm...

pero di pa rin maaalis ang theory na bombing ang nangyari. kasi this would be the first time na may sumabog dahil sa leak ng isang septic tank. pero ang na-experience na natin na may sumabog na bomba, and ikumpira lang natin sa mga scenario, katulad na katulad nito ang bombing incident ng LRT, Rizal, and Valentine's bombing ang nangyari sa Glorietta... even worse...
then, wala pang investigation, may nagdeclare na mula sa sumabog na LPG ang cause. wala pang intial investigation may result na. may itinatago sila or may ayaw ipaalam sa publiko. kasi kung bombing yan, ibig sabihin may nakapuslit na equipments papasok sa area. ibig sabihin yung security bumagsak.

pero para sa akin bombing man yan or negligence, nasa victims ang sympathy ko. biruin mo, namamasyal ka lang, nag-uunwind, or gusto mo lang maiba ang ambiance mo mula sa work tapos masasabugan ka. o kaya nagkataon naisipan mong pumunta sa Glorietta...

psychoCOW · Beerkadet Mascot/Matinee Idol

I was there when it happened. The whole place smelled like gunpowder. Seemed like a bomb to me.

tenkouken · Carpooler

Everyone believes it's a bomb. We've been conditioned by the government to think that the either the terrorists, the Arroyo army, or the Kuuma did it.

yani · BEERKADET

May sunog daw sa makati kanina?

Megara · Tiger Princess

that was so scary.....wla man ako sa glorietta....nasa sm naman ako....kaya pala pagpunta ko sa mall eh napakahigpit ng security....kakatakot.....napanood ko sa tv ung site ng pagsabog.....scary.....

Kagepool · The Silent Musician

All I know is whoever did it SHOULD ROT AND BURN IN HELL!! MOTHER*******!!

Fraggle Rock · Hiro Nakamura's boyfriend

I was there earlier.

may sunog nga ata.

bowen · Beerkadet

Walang crater which is an indicator of a bomb blast. walang singed substance. walang sunog. nitrate is a component ng pulbura. yung pulbura naman may be composed of nitrates which is pataba rin ng lupa or fertilizer. yung human waste as well as animal waste ay pwedeng gawing pataba ng lupa. meaning magiging nitrate din yung wastes na yun. and wastes release methane gas, yung sa LPG tank content. now ang septic tank ay nagleak, saturating the whole underground chambers intended for generator, septic or treatment tank and all that. in effect, parang LPG tank ang buong underground floor. and boom!!!

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Research nyo sa internet.... very common ang mga insidenteng ito sa cold climates at rare sa atin. it has something to do with the weather conditions. yung accumulation kasi ng methane from both natural at man-made sources has something to do with humidity or temperature. the glorieta scenario, yung diesel vapors at methane gases ay present in very dangerous concentration kasi confined beneath the building. if ever magkaroon man ng panlilinlang dito, ang ipipilit na scenario ay ang bombing theory, not the methane gas theory. why? madami dahilan...first, me premature declaration ang pnp which maaring ipipilit para walang mapahiya. second, yung criminal liability ng glorieta management due to negligence ay ma-negate pag ang cause ay bomba at hindi sa kapabaayan nila. may image din sila na-i protect. third, heads will roll talaga kung ang cause niyan ay deviation ng proper set-up ng facilities as indicated in the floor plan na maaring inapruban ng city hall or the proper authorities on the matter (common ang lagayan sa pinas, di ba?) fourth, too early for me to say and at this stage, am not at liberty to say.

pero nevertheless, kailangan mag-ingat at magdasal din tayo for our safety and for the souls of the victims. may they rest in peace

-- Edited by lei at 15:50, 2007-10-23

psychoCOW · Beerkadet Mascot/Matinee Idol

I for one would be all too happy if this was really just an accident. I mean, it's still terrible that so many died or got injured, but at least nobody planned it.

gxmania10 · GUNDANIUM BEERKADET

oo grabe daw yung pagsabog . my father was a red cross volunteer kaya kitang kita nya ang laki ng damage . saka ang ginamit daw na explosive ay liquid substance

sanggre_felicia · Chomplet-in-Training

verified na?

gxmania10 · GUNDANIUM BEERKADET

ayaw sabihin kung anung tunay na explosive na ginamit...

roachy · 10CM - nurse bassist

tsk tsk thats very disturbing...

accident or not...death is not a funny thing to happen...

bowen · Beerkadet

Reformat ko kaya ang question para makapag-isip kayo para di nyo na i-base ang information sa 'daw' or hearsay. With the facts given ko, try answering the following questions.

01. Kung explosives ginamit, saan ang seat of explosion (saan nakalagay ang 'bomba'). This should be easy to find dahil ito ay isang crater. Walang crater sa site na nakita so far. So, saan ang seat of explosion?

02. Kung terrorist bombing yun, bakit ang 'bomba' nilagay dun sa ilalim where there are no persons at kung meron man, daan ka sa security kasi facilities na yun eh and therefore mataas ang chance na ma-detect ang bomber (which hindi rin niya gagawin). So, bakit dun nilagay?

03. Bakit walang fireball or incidiary effect? This is typical with explosives especially the liquid ones. So, bakit?

Medyo hindi nga kapanipaniwala ang nangyari pero there are companies that specialize in safety consultations...and they have a long list of similar incidents. Sa mga countries with cold climates panay nangyayari yan. But nangyayari din yan sa tropical countries but to a much lesser degree.

FYI pala, YUNG explosion caused by methane gas is described as 'unseated' explosion pala. meaning, walang particular seat kasi yung ingredient ay nakalutang sa hangin...and all over the place

-- Edited by bowen at 00:53, 2007-10-23

twistedkai · Carpooler

There is a big possibility that it was an accident, because several days prior to the incident the mall's maintenance crew had to clear the area near the septic tank due to leakage. They said it was sealed properly, but with what exactly?

s2chard · KONOHA VILLAGE - Jounin

hmmm...

I realized na sana nga accident nga.

Well, medyo nagraised ang eyebrow ko sa statement ni Trillanes. Diversion ng government? Damn, ganoon na ba talaga kababaw ang Admin para gawin yung ganun? Hindi pala mababaw, ano ba term, masama? brutal?

If it's a leak, then it's time para alamin ng mga mall owner kung ang septic tank nila ay maayos. that is one hell of an explosion. Sana di na maulit.

bowen · Beerkadet

To the point na may nagtanim ng RDX sa crime scene. Kaso nagmamadali pnp kaya ayun, kuryente! Ang tanga-tanga naman na nagtanim, yung RDX ay pure form pa...kumbaga unexploded. Walang residue na nakuha sa area, pero may RDX na unexploded. Hindi talaga magkatukma yun. Parang kumbaga may tao na namatay kumbaga sa massive loss of blood pero walang dugo o sugat na makita. The physical evidence cannot support the theory. At least alam ko na bakit 'putok' ang term nun. Ang problema lang sa bansa natin ay masyado mapulitika mga tao sa gobyerno. Walang pakialam kung anuman maging consequences sa mga sinasabi o ginagawa.

twistedkai · Carpooler

Oo nga. Hay, sayang ang mga buhay na nasayang. Since it was an accident that could have been prevented by the management they (the victims) ought to do something about it, instead of many damn politicos blaming the Admin, maybe they should help the people get justice out of this. It's just like the Wowowee tragedy, it could have been prevented.

bowen · Beerkadet

The sad thing about this, is that hindi ito ang huli. I don't think there would be enough death and destruction para mabago ang kultura natin. There's hope pa naman. But every time may tumama na trahedya, dun mo makikilala ang mga tunay na ugali ng mga tao. The deaths of so many dreams and loved ones..... sana justice will prevail.

twistedkai · Carpooler

Yep. Sana nga.

Megara · Tiger Princess

diversionary tactic? sira ba ang mga ulo nila? why the heck would the government sacrifice LIVES just for that? I mean it goes the same with the opposition..they wouldn't do that....Death is not really a thing to laugh or take advantage upon. Natanggap nyo na ba yung text na pasasabugin daw ung ibang mall..."traynoma", 168, sm mega, union bank, etc...pasasabugin daw before nov.1 at ang gamit eh van na sasabog....this text is not funny at all....kung sino man ang nagkalat nito....ndi nakakatuwa....AT discriminatory ito sa ating mga kapatid na muslim! sana malamn ng pnp kung sino nagkalat nito...

syeri · Carpool Creator

sabi sa news may umamin na. Rajah Suleiman something group. They contacted the networks via cellphone. Then when they tried to contact that number again, the guy said that the opposition paid him to say that he was from the group.

They have no concrete evidence who did the bombing so far. They are back at pointing fingers and making speculations.

Until ten, keep safe.

bowen · Beerkadet

For the sake of argument, let's say may kinalaman ang RSM sa pagsabog. The only remotely possible thing na maicontribute nila ay magtitipon sa glorietta at sabay-sabay na gumamit ng comfort room then..... at least, by that, they can honestly say na me kinalaman sila sa pagsabog since yung methane build-up dun sa ilalim ay nanggagaling sa but*holes nila. Or.....pwede rin talagang me nagtanim ng bomba na RSM. kaya lang, to do that, aaminin talaga niya na nagscuba diving siya doon sa loob ng septic tank para itanim ang bomba because that's the only way na gawin yun.

Sana naman wag na sila (politically-motivated rumor-mongers) tumawag at claim na binayaran sila to claim this and that. both camps can do that naman. people got killed. sana wag nila gamitin leverage ang trahedya.

As for all of you, ingat lang at don't panic. kasi pag natatakot na kayo, panalo na sila (terrorist). when it's time to go, then it's time to go..... pero dapat din na wala kang contributory negligence on your part para di madisgrasya para kung pumanaw ka man, okay lang at beyond your control na yun.

LP · the missing slayer

wow...talgang gruesome ung pangyayari...haaayyy...when will the peace on earth arrives????

if lpg nga ung sumabog,,dapat may sunog or ung tank's pieces ang makikita at dapat talagang higpit ang mga security both sa mga costumers at sa mga staffs ng mall para ligtas pumunta doon...

Kagepool · The Silent Musician

The government and the police are sure that the RSG were not the ones responsible for the bombing. There's something fishy definitely going on here.

twistedkai · Carpooler

15% Methane (From a leaky sewer/sewage tank)
+ 85% O2
+ spark (perhaps from the gas leak?!)
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Explosion in Glorietta 2.

The RSG is just trying to catch media attention from what happened.. Sheesh.